alfred 2008-3-14 14:12
[s:5] 啥时候谭森改回来了,我就用不着准备一大堆克敌机先了.....[s:5]
maoliyuanjiu 2008-3-14 17:43
今天白天没有机会上网,所以没有及时回复。针对各位高人的意见,我再继续琢磨琢磨。另外有几个疑点请不吝指教。
To二楼txyxsds:BAB一定要超过25吗,这本身就不是菜刀build,何必在乎那1次攻击
To三楼Azrael:诗人的智力很重要吗?诗人的关键属性是魅力,智力好像不影响诗人的法术DC,而在这个build里技能点感觉刚好够用。另外在这个build里诗人的cl是16而不是8,能施放六级诗人法术。另外敏捷确实是费了,但是也不严重啊,本身就没指望用“武器娴熟”,而且是穿秘银全身甲,虽然少了几点AC敏捷加值,但也够用了。关于EDM确实是华而不实,去掉EDM可以换好几个专长,值得一试。
Azrael 2008-3-14 20:09
Skill 对诗人而言算是比较有特色的,我是认为1点购1点的代价下14int都不过分,当然也可能根据需求去调整
但至少int 8其实是很可惜的,尤其是号称辅助类的职业。严格意义上说楼主的build不算是诗人build,而是主战的build。和辅助类的build有很大距离啊
关于bab的说,其实确实未必要超过25之类,关键看角色定位。如果在牺牲bab能换来跟有利的特点那便是大大可行的。尤其是所谓的“辅助build”
至于DEX,秘银甲是8-3型甲,你要发挥盔甲的效能敏捷修正+3才正合适,更何况这毕竟是高级甲,多数条件下你的诗人还是在和中型甲打交道的,8的DEX你在敏捷buff上要花的心思就得不偿失了,莫非还指望敏捷装备么?
当然所谓的够用虽然见仁见智,但我恰恰认为lz出在初期购点过于偏激,完全没有必要过分照顾“战力”属性而忽略其他(诗人对DC的要求是相当其次的,防才更必要)……为了一个高等级的才刚好的EDM+并不合适主攻的bab 去搞残两个基础属性应该是不值得di
[quote]原帖由 [i]phor[/i] 于 2008-3-14 20:02 发表 [url=http://www.odyguild.net/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=95787&ptid=12493][img]http://www.odyguild.net/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
诗人歌曲只有8级了吧 这可是比法术更重要的辅助哦 [/quote]
如果真想做诗人,确实不妨好好的将歌曲发挥一下。刚才提到过,诅咒曲+挽歌和防护法术才是辅助型诗人的王道 hoho
maoliyuanjiu 2008-3-14 20:57
Azrael说得有道理,在构思这个build时一直想把奇诡师的几个特点(继承奥术等级、偷袭、即兴偷袭)都发挥出来,确实在属性点分配上头疼了很久。如果使用轻武器加武器娴熟,那么兼职BG所需要的猛力攻击和顺势斩又没用;如果力量属性太低,AB还是不够,攻击不能命中还谈什么偷袭(总不至于就一直看队友打架吧);敏捷低了,AC又低,只好用秘银全身甲将就(毕竟有+8的基础AC,至于敏捷加值就放弃了。另外秘银全身甲是中甲,不是重甲,这时秘银带来的好处)
另外Bard等级可以加到11级,BG等级-3,这样损失1d6的偷袭和-1BAB换取稍多一点的诗人辅助技能(11Bard/7BG/4NN/8AT),这样效果可能会好一点
alfred 2008-3-14 21:13
我个人意见,如果BUILD要AT就要把偷袭效果发挥出来,但没有传奇精准,偷袭再高也没什么意义,ROG最好还是升到10级的好.
maoliyuanjiu 2008-3-14 21:21
回复 #28 alfred 的帖子
传奇精准么?为了出AT必须的三级奥术,至少要5级Wzd吧(或6Sor或7Bard或11Worlock),剩余的25级能堆多高的SA(还要考虑BAB),传奇精准还要减一半的SA,最终能剩多少?就我看。想学传奇精准就不要用AT,用了AT就不要想传奇精准!
PS:曾见过一个偷袭20d6的build,那样的传奇精准才物有所值
maoliyuanjiu 2008-3-14 21:42
回复 #30 Azrael 的帖子
秘银全身甲需要:1个全身甲模具、3个秘银块、18级的Craft Armor
怎么会少有呢?
alfred 2008-3-14 21:47
回复 #29 maoliyuanjiu 的帖子
25级还不够堆SA?你那BUILD才几级SA?传奇精准SA减半是减半不能偷袭的怪物,能偷袭的怪物还是正常伤害,MOTB里全是免偷袭的怪,就算是PK免偷袭的也有许多,你那偷袭不就是浪费了嘛.
Azrael 2008-3-14 22:57
[quote]原帖由 [i]maoliyuanjiu[/i] 于 2008-3-14 21:42 发表 [url=http://www.odyguild.net/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=95811&ptid=12493][img]http://www.odyguild.net/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
秘银全身甲需要:1个全身甲模具、3个秘银块、18级的Craft Armor
怎么会少有呢? [/quote]
那是单机……
如果在mod中找呢? 所以一般打交道多的还是常见的中型甲吧
maoliyuanjiu 2008-3-15 18:58
参考Azrael的建议,修改如下(我就是和AT耗上了),还请各位高人继续指正!
[b]Arcane Trickster(8), Bard(11), Blackguard(7), Neverwinter Nine(4)[/b]
Race: [i]Human[/i]
Alignment: NE • CE
Deity: -
[b]Abilities:[/b]
STR: 16(24)
DEX: 12
CON: 14
WIS: 8
INT: 10
CHA: 16(18)
[b]Level Guide:[/b]
Lvl 01: [b]Bard(1)[/b]: Background: Natural Leader0, Luck of Heroes, Curse Song, {Bardic Knowledge, Inspiration, Inspire Courage, Countersong, Fascinate, Armored Caster (Bard)}
Lvl 02: [b]Bard(2)[/b]: {Inspire Competence}
Lvl 03: [b]Bard(3)[/b]: Extra Music, {Haven Song}
Lvl 04: [b]Bard(4)[/b]: CHA+1, (CHA=17)
Lvl 05: [b]Bard(5)[/b]: {Inspire Defense}
Lvl 06: [b]Bard(6)[/b]: Power Attack, {Cloud Mind}
Lvl 07: [b]Bard(7)[/b]: {Inspire Regeneration}
Lvl 08: [b]Bard(8)[/b]: CHA+1, {Inspire Toughness}, (CHA=18)
Lvl 09: [b]Bard(9)[/b]: Cleave, {Ironskin Chant}
Lvl 10: [b]Blackguard(1)[/b]: {Use Poison}
Lvl 11: [b]Blackguard(2)[/b]: {Smite Good, Dark Blessing, Bull's Strength}
Lvl 12: [b]Bard(10)[/b]: STR+1, Battle Caster, (STR=17)
Lvl 13: [b]Bard(11)[/b]: {Inspire Slowing}
Lvl 14: [b]Blackguard(3)[/b]: {Turn Undead, Create Undead, Aura of Despair}
Lvl 15: [b]Blackguard(4)[/b]: Toughness, {Sneak Attack, Blackguard (+1d6)}
Lvl 16: [b]Blackguard(5)[/b]: STR+1, {Fiendish Servant}, (STR=18)
Lvl 17: [b]Blackguard(6)[/b]: {Inflict Serious Wounds}
Lvl 18: [b]Blackguard(7)[/b]: Divine Shield, {Contagion}
Lvl 19: [b]Arcane Trickster(1)[/b]: Arcane Trickster Spellcasting (Bard), {Pilfer Magic}
Lvl 20: [b]Arcane Trickster(2)[/b]: STR+1, {Arcane Trickster Sneak Attack (+1d6)}, (STR=19)
Lvl 21: [b]Neverwinter Nine(1)[/b]: Epic Prowess, {Protective Aura}
Lvl 22: [b]Neverwinter Nine(2)[/b]: {Guarding the Lord}
Lvl 23: [b]Neverwinter Nine(3)[/b]: Armor Skin, {Frantic Reactions}
Lvl 24: [b]Neverwinter Nine(4)[/b]: STR+1, (STR=20)
Lvl 25: [b]Arcane Trickster(3)[/b]: Great Strength I, {Impromptu Sneak Attack 1}, (STR=21)
Lvl 26: [b]Arcane Trickster(4)[/b]
Lvl 27: [b]Arcane Trickster(5)[/b]: Great Strength II, (STR=22)
Lvl 28: [b]Arcane Trickster(6)[/b]: STR+1, (STR=23)
Lvl 29: [b]Arcane Trickster(7)[/b]: Great Strength III, {Impromptu Sneak Attack 2}, (STR=24)
Lvl 30: [b]Arcane Trickster(8)[/b]
[b]Data:[/b]
Hitpoints: 290
BAB: 23
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Reflex/Will): 17/24/22(+6 vs spell)
Max. Melee AB: 31, Max. Ranged AB: 25
Sneak Attack: 8d6
Spell Casting: Bard(6)
Detailed Spell Casting (Level 0-9): Bard: 5/4 • 5/6 • 5/5 • 5/5 • 5/5 • 4/5 • 4/3
[b]Skills:[/b]
Skillpoints: 179
Concentration: 33(35), Disable Device: 7, Hide: 5(6), Lore: 7(18), Perform: 14(18), Spellcraft: 30, Tumble: 30(31), Use Magic Device: 31(35)
Lvl 01 (Brd): Concentration 4(4), Hide 4(4), Lore 4(4), Perform 4(4), Spellcraft 4(4), Tumble 4(4), Use Magic Device 4(4)
Lvl 02 (Brd): Concentration 1(5), Hide 1(5), Lore 1(5), Perform 1(5), Spellcraft 1(5), Tumble 1(5), Use Magic Device 1(5)
Lvl 03 (Brd): Concentration 1(6), Lore 1(6), Perform 1(6), Spellcraft 1(6), Tumble 1(6), Use Magic Device 1(6), Save 1
Lvl 04 (Brd): Concentration 1(7), Disable Device [i]1(1)[/i], Lore 1(7), Perform 1(7), Spellcraft 1(7), Tumble 1(7), Use Magic Device 1(7)
Lvl 05 (Brd): Concentration 1(8), Disable Device [i]1(2)[/i], Perform 1(8), Spellcraft 1(8), Tumble 1(8), Use Magic Device 1(8)
Lvl 06 (Brd): Concentration 1(9), Disable Device [i]1(3)[/i], Perform 1(9), Spellcraft 1(9), Tumble 1(9), Use Magic Device 1(9)
Lvl 07 (Brd): Concentration 1(10), Disable Device [i]1(4)[/i], Perform 1(10), Spellcraft 1(10), Tumble 1(10), Use Magic Device 1(10)
Lvl 08 (Brd): Concentration 1(11), Disable Device [i]1(5)[/i], Perform 1(11), Spellcraft 1(11), Tumble 1(11), Use Magic Device 1(11)
Lvl 09 (Brd): Concentration 1(12), Disable Device [i]1(6)[/i], Perform 1(12), Spellcraft 1(12), Tumble 1(12), Use Magic Device 1(12)
Lvl 10 (BG): Concentration 1(13), Save 2
Lvl 11 (BG): Concentration 1(14), Save 4
Lvl 12 (Brd): Concentration 1(15), Perform 1(13), Spellcraft 3(15), Tumble 3(15), Use Magic Device 3(15)
Lvl 13 (Brd): Concentration 1(16), Disable Device [i]1(7)[/i], Perform 1(14), Spellcraft 1(16), Tumble 1(16), Use Magic Device 1(16)
Lvl 14 (BG): Concentration 1(17), Use Magic Device [i]1(17)[/i]
Lvl 15 (BG): Concentration 1(18), Use Magic Device [i]1(18)[/i]
Lvl 16 (BG): Concentration 1(19), Use Magic Device [i]1(19)[/i]
Lvl 17 (BG): Concentration 1(20), Use Magic Device [i]1(20)[/i]
Lvl 18 (BG): Concentration 1(21), Use Magic Device [i]1(21)[/i]
Lvl 19 (AT): Concentration 1(22), Tumble 4(20)
Lvl 20 (AT): Concentration 1(23), Spellcraft 4(20)
Lvl 21 (NN): Concentration 1(24), Use Magic Device [i]2(23)[/i]
Lvl 22 (NN): Concentration 1(25), Use Magic Device [i]2(25)[/i]
Lvl 23 (NN): Concentration 1(26), Use Magic Device [i]1(26)[/i], Save 2
Lvl 24 (NN): Concentration 1(27), Use Magic Device [i]1(27)[/i], Save 4
Lvl 25 (AT): Concentration 1(28), Spellcraft 5(25), Tumble 3(23)
Lvl 26 (AT): Concentration 1(29), Tumble 4(27)
Lvl 27 (AT): Concentration 1(30), Spellcraft 1(26), Tumble 3(30)
Lvl 28 (AT): Concentration 1(31), Spellcraft 4(30)
Lvl 29 (AT): Concentration 1(32), Use Magic Device [i]2(29)[/i]
Lvl 30 (AT): Concentration 1(33), Use Magic Device [i]2(31)[/i]
主要辅助手段:
Natural Leader:所有伙伴的攻击检定+1
Protective Aura:15尺内所有盟友得到+3全豁免,+2偏斜AC的奖励
Inspire Courage:所有盟友AB和伤害+2
Inspire Defense:所有盟友AC+3
Aura of Despair:使得身旁10尺内敌人的所有豁免检定-2
Curse Song(11Bard&18Perform):表演 3,诗人等级 1:-1攻击和伤害检定。
表演 6,诗人等级 2:-1意志豁免。
表演 9,诗人等级 3:-1伤害检定和强韧豁免。
表演12,诗人等级 6:-1反射豁免和所有技能检定。
表演15,诗人等级 8:-1攻击检定,造成8点伤害。
表演18,诗人等级11:-2闪避防御等级,-1所有技能检定。(以上累加)